The very origin of the word vaccination tells us a lot. Cowpox is a disease that is more common in other animals like cows and cats than it is in us, but we can catch it from animals. Dairy workers who touch cow udders infected with cowpox can end up with the typical pox pustules on their hands. These are very much like smallpox pustules, but the cowpox disease is much milder. Dr. Edward Jenner made note of this relationship and thought deliberately infecting people with cowpox would protect them from the very contagious and much more dangerous smallpox. That was the rationale for the first modern vaccination procedure. “From the Latin vacca, for cow. English physician Edward Jenner
Here is a very interesting fact. The first mandatory vaccine campaign for Americans was ordered by General George Washington for his Continental Army. The campaign was largely successful and not a single regiment was rendered ineffective by smallpox.
Beautifully said. I hope we can all help each other and save lives. It is very difficult navigating the truth from the false claims or political rhetoric. We are all so blessed to have you explain these details and have a rational calm discussion of information that can save our lives. Thank you and may you have a most beautiful shining Holiday Season!!!
You always encourage me and that makes a difference. Thank you for joining Primary Care for All Americans. That is an opportunity to give everyone who wants a better healthcare system some muscle. I know you will make a difference.
Dec 22, 2023·edited Dec 22, 2023Liked by William H Bestermann Jr MD
"It worked."
But did it, really? There were vaccine registers and everything in the UK, but still violent outbreaks kept occurring. Weren't nearly all school children vaccinated in the course of the following century?
I'd really like to see hard data on this, because I can't make up my mind without. What I know though is that vaccination efforts were kept up for 150 years before the disease disappeared.
I don't know. Efficacy is one thing, safety another. Literally all the health problems I've suffered in the past 25 years occurred after vaccination.
1) Huge battery of vaccines before starting to work in hospitals at 18:
=> Cervical lymphadenopathy within 1 day. Lymph nodes still swollen today
=> 1 year of recurring tonsillitides
=> Arthralgia developing within 2 weeks, starting with the back, extending towards shoulders+hips, then knees+elbows, then wrists. This lasted many years (15-20). I identified with pain for the majority of my adult life. Been pain free for a few years now.
2) Hep B vaccination
=> During workout I experienced throbbing headaches. Next workout this got worse, causing me to go home. Then the headache grew so bad that I could only move myself to the bathroom on all fours for an entire week.
=> This was accompanied by anisocoria that gradually got better over the next 10-15 years. Pretty sure both pupils are the same size by now.
=> Had a CT performed, after which my doctor diagnosed a brain aneurysm and scheduled me for surgery. I called him up later, said I didn't want surgery and would rather take my chances, which in retrospect seems questionable, but turned out well. The pain was gone after two weeks, the anisocoria resolved within 15 years or so.
3) Polio vaccination
=> A week later I experienced amaurosis fugax upon laying down. Went to the eye clinic. No diagnosis.
=> Went another time a month or two later because it didn't get better. No diagnosis
=> Then when it was finally "raining ashes" it turned out I had a RVO
=> No glaucoma developed. :)
I didn't have any other issues throughout my life that weren't due to trauma.
Now my daughter received a DTaP-vaccine along with inactived Polio (Repevax) and developed joint pain in the same month. She is now - five years later - on MTX. And even that isn't helping.
Looking at the package insert of Repevax, it seems more than 1 in 10 children her age develop joint swelling and/or pain post-administration.
While I did study medicine, I am not a doctor. I don't have your clinical experience. However, I'm a major pharma nerd and these infectious disease prophylactics do NOT look safe at all. Not in the least.
I think the only way, the illusion of safety can be kept up is through aggressive propaganda, targetting doctors. Because... Take a wild guess what happens when I tell a doctor my daughter has "idiopathic (!) juvenile polyarthritis" due to DTaP vaccination. Let's put it this way: It's no way make friends.
I've been subject to vaccine propaganda and I ate it all. Hearing even the faintest vaccine criticism triggered me like nothing else.
So I think it would be a good idea to go back and carefully evaluate the data that your assumptions are based on. Our minds are far from perfect and business-wise, vaccines have always been an enormous opportunity.
The way I see it, being a doctor puts you at a disadvantage here. A huge amount of money and energy is invested into influencing what you and your colleagues consider true.
And another issue: Vaccine-mediated enhanced disease. What happens to people who are exposed to the pathogen on the day they are vaccinated? If a pathogen is highly prevalent like SC2, this is a huge risk - and in my opinion caused millions of deaths in 2021. If a pathogen has a very low prevalence, the risk is nearly negligible, but so is the risk of being exposed to the pathogen... Something to think about.
In case I didn't make that clear: I'm full-on anti-vax now. Before I see prospective studies with clean methodology, I will abstain and so will my daughter.
It really did work. I have spent a lifetime studying medical treatments and making tough life or death decisions. I have spend 25 years studying optimal medical therapy as compared with usual care. Every medical decision is about the risk vs benefit calculation. Every single medical treatment of any kind that has a benefical effect has a potential to produce an adverse side effect. I have had long standing trusting personal relationships with thousand of patients in a haff dozen different settings and I can tell you they told me everything. Your experience with vaccine is a real outlier. The risk benefit ratio for vaccines for deadly diseases is one of the most favorable in all of scientific medicine. Vaccine for deadly diseases are safe and effecive for most people. They probably aren't for you.
Dec 22, 2023·edited Dec 22, 2023Liked by William H Bestermann Jr MD
And what deadly diseases? Take tetanus for example. Between 2019 and 2022, there were only 4-9 annual hospitalizations in Germany. None of them died.
Let's assume ALL of these patients were unvaccinated. 80mio people, let's say 1% is unvaccinated- that's 800k. 5 cases per year per 800k people?`
That's a 1:160,000 annual risk. Now, would you say that the risk to suffer an adverse event of comparable severity is below 1:16,000k, assuming 1 shot every ten years?
If your answer is based on clinical experience, have you even administered 16k doses? If it isn't, what data is the assessment based on? Because I am not aware of any class 1 evidence. Most doctors just never make the connection, so AE's aren't reported and post-approval pharmacovigilance vastly underestimates all risks.
Please illuminate me if you can tell me how this risk-benefit analysis comes out in favor or the tetanus toxoid vaccine.
How many vaccine adverse events have you filed in your lifetime?
And how do you know I'm an outlier, when I as a patient didn't even see the connection to my vaccinations until last year? Neither did my doctors. The one who diagnosed the aneurysm was the same doctor who gave me the shot (otherwise an excellent GP). I had to go back through my medical history, except for the first event, where the timing was still very clear to make sense of this.
Are you sure that you would've connected adverse events to vaccinations? Because this is not what I see happening. I see doctors at best ignoring any suggestion of an adverse event being vaccine-mediated, at worst becoming infuriated and refusing to treat patients (after allegedly injuring them that is).
My daughter had an adverse event after vaccinations. Does her doc see it? Not a chance. But I do. No more vaccinations for me and my family. The risk benefit story is a lie upon a lie.
So we know vaccinating into a pandemic is wrong and we also know, but most won’t admit, that there are untold numbers of children who have autism as a result of vaccines. My son is one of them!
It depends on the pandemic. If there is a pandemic of a disease like ebola, I will be first in line to get it. It is entirely about risks and benefits. Some strains of ebola have a mortality rate of 90%. Based on vaccine resistance, it would be difficult to bury all of the dead people in our communities. Autism is a complicated disease and the root cause is unsettled. No one really knows what causes it with any certainty
While all of that likely contributes to our declining health, I believe vaccines have caused the precipitous increase in autism. Just ask other parents what they think. Believe people who aren’t parents of children with autism know better? I think not!!!
I also have 100s of gigabytes of data from the U.S. education system lined up along with childhood vaccination data, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
Me too. No vaccination needle will ever get near me again. Luckily, I had already abstained from flu, Covid and others as an adult. I’m too old to have been exposed to the rain of vaccine terror on tiny bodies now and so was my daughter but my grandson has and is obviously vaccine injured by Gardisil but nobody talks about it. Sorry you have had such issues. We really have to look out after ourselves and research these days. I START health treatments and lifestyle from unconventional approaches now. My trust has disintegrated.
I said this in an earlier comment. The best hope for our health is scientific medicine with research that we pay for so that it serves our interests. All of the data must be transparent so that it is available for analysis by objective sources. New virus mutations are happening all the time. If yellow fever comes to my area again, I will be first in line for a vaccination. If a highly virulent strain of ebola mutates to become highly contagious, I will be first in line for a vaccination.
"I said this in an earlier comment. The best hope for our health is scientific medicine with research that we pay for so that it serves our interests. All of the data must be transparent so that it is available for analysis by objective sources."
Couldn't agree more. I don't think we really have any fundamental disagreement where there is data. It's just the uncertainty that has us assume opposing positions.
"If yellow fever comes to my area again, I will be first in line for a vaccination."
I would strongly discourage you to do that in the middle of an outbreak, unless there is data suggesting individuals suffering an infection around the time of inoculation do not experience VMED.
The higher the prevalence, the higher your chances to be infected before you have produced antibodies. And then your unspecific immune system will be confronted with two similar threats at the same time. What does that mean for the immune response against the pathogen?
The most disturbing facts are the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines that Dr Bestermann is eager to get. Do we have the genuine clinical data for making the call? Or just the filthy mouth of criminals such as Tony Fauci?
In the hot outbreak of any infectious diseases, most healthy people should not get vaccinated as their response.
GARDASIL, the product primarily utilizing young black and hispanic girls for its advertisement. The one where 18 VAERS reports of females aged 12-25 who had their FSH levels taken come out with an average level of 72.4 IU/l (95% CI: 49.2 – 95.7 IU/l). A control group of 22 reports for other vaccines had average levels of 13.7 IU/l (95% CI: 5.6 - 21.8 IU/l).
The data suggest that these teenage girls are in post-menopause. I wrote a brief article on this signal.
And then we have institutions like the "Bill and Melinda give you AIDS foundation" who donate money to third world countries for "family planning and HPV vaccine research".
William, I really it's time to reconsider everything you believe to be true - which is an extremely painful process.
You seem to be so concerned with your patients' health. I think really highly of you, based only on what I've read from you. Please consider that century-old marketing campaigns might have outcompeted your critical thinking over the past decades. It doesn't seem like your assessments are based on hard data.
I mean, you may be right and these adverse events are really rare, but what if you aren't? What then?
That being said, I will gladly let you convince me that I am wrong, but for that we need hard data.
I remember when Gardasil was coming out on the market. The local news (I live in San Francisco) reported that a researcher at UCSF was saying that he had reservations about the vaccine and that he didn't think it was safe. That was the first and last time I ever heard the media say anything negative about Gardasil.
May I respectfully suggest reading the book “Turtles All the Way Down”.
I’m a retired pharmacist that believed every word I was fed about vaccines, which I now recognize as mostly propaganda.
I *might* think about taking another vaccine when our corrupt/captured FDA, CDC, NIH actually does the Vaxxed-unvaxxed studies. Why would they refuse to do those? I think I know. It’s all about $$$$$.
The silver lining of the last 4 years is the waking up of so many of us. I believe that there are still good people in medicine (several in my family), but until we can ask questions, real questions, about the vaccine “religion”, how do we trust?
I understand your distrust and your reluctance. Our system has been taken over by predatory corporate interests and it is getting worse by the day. We failed to make any progress in 2023 toward a health system that serves us. I think the German system is interesting. Most get their health insurance through their employer in Germany too. They live longer for half the money and the governing boards for the 200 German insurance companies are elected from employees and employer. They see the data and they set the priorities. There are three communities in the US that have primary care owned by the people who use it. Primary Care for All Americans is a new organization that is pushing for community owned primary care. I see community primary care as modeled after community owned water systems. That model allows local people to set priorities that work for them.
I find it strange that they keep pushing the same mRNA. I am ok with Moderna but for some reason the P one seems to have too many people get infected even though they are “vaccinated “ then they can take pavloxid but everyone I know that took that had rebound COVID. As for me I took Novavax a protein based vaccine. It has an immune booster by use of saponin bark I haven’t had any illness and have been directed exposed. But my point is they sabotaged Novavax. No one knows what it is. So I wonder is the P one for streams of revenu?
Everyone is down with COVID again in Germany atm. I don't know a single unvaccinated person who caught it this time around, but e.g. my entire wife's workplace is positive, with only her boss not falling sick.
Two days ago a concert I had tickets for was cancelled because of COVID, my wife's family isn't celebrating christmas because they're all down with COVID, my brother isn't coming because he's down with COVID.
All of them are vaccinated. These vaccines just aren't working.
This is why I opted for Novavax which is a protein based vaccine (old technology) and is made with a tree bark saponin which boosts the immune system and so far an totally free of disease and I have been directly exposed to people with covid and never got it. I have had a very bad case in the past. Of concern is covid wrecks the immune system and can cause long covid. In my case I got it before any vaccines were available. Once I got it it took months and a lot of work to feel better so I am cautious. I am also an RN and tapped into some groups where we discuss these topics. I really wish they would encourage use of the protein-based vaccine and I think the M one is ok but the P one seems to allow far too many breakthroughs leaving people vulnerable. I also think we will need next generation vaccines because its so concerning how this one keeps spreading around the world. Maybe if we all wore a mask for a while we could end it without needing a vaccine.
Great post Bill. I don’t think that most people are anti vax. I do believe that the COVID vaccine was politicized and weaponized in a way that we’ve never seen before. Efficacy was promised and whole groups of people were canceled when they challenged the facts. The second order effects of this action are substantial. Even the medical establishment bought into and perpetuated false narratives and fired doctors and nurses who challenged it. There’s a whole lot of mistrust to go around and the physical and economic harm created by the mandated remedy for Covid are just now being discovered.
I get your point Jeff I accept it at face value. Your point about politics being weaponized is especially powerful. Even deeply religious people are willing to do anything to win I think that it is a great example of what is wrong with medicine, politics, and business generally. Medicine has lost its way. When I became a doctor, I believed medicine to be a calling to service and professionalism. I believed it was my duty, and state law required,, that I provide continuous care for my patients-- 24/7/365. Most of all, I believe what I was taught--that my first duty was to be an advocate for my patients. Now medicine has been taken over by the MBAs and it is all about money and power. It's first duty it to stockholders. It is unique among developed nations and it is not working for patients. As you know better than anyone, it is twice as expensive and produces the worst results in the developed world. You are right not to trust it. Americans are right not to trust it but it is the most complicated profession on earth and the money men hide the financial arrangements and their most critical research data. That all must come out into the sunshine, and you fight for that harder than anyone I know.
That lack of trust is having crazy consequences. If you go down the comments on my last post, there are American who are dead serious when they say that there is no such thing as a virus. That is what happens when people don't trust their institutions. Emotions run high. People try to figure out very complex issues for themselves and they look at those who disagree as enemies. They see them as evil people. The National Academy of Medicine was founded by Congress to provide analysis and advice on scientific issues. We should pay much more attention to their advice. Everything about medicine must come out into the sunshine. Drug companies have proven they cannot be trusted to tell us enough about the research on their new products so that we can trust them We must be able to stay calm, respect others, and work through these difficult changes. Because we cannot trust Covid vaccines and other parts of our system, laymen are ready to throw out scientific medicine altogether and doubt everything we say. The best answer to an understandable lack of trust is to behave in a way that is trustworthy. Thanks for your comment
I don’t trust my government anymore nor any institutions they recommend so that’s a hard no from me to look at the National Academy of Medicine. Nope, Nein, Non!
In a democracy, we are the government. Primary Care for All Americans is pushing for primary care to be available for everyone and owned and governed by each community to meet their unique needs. Primary care is very inexpensive and is built on long term trusing relationships. Healthcare is like water service. Many communities own and run that. Water for most of us is good quality and inexpensive. That model give you and your local officials the ability to set the priorities.
Thanks Bill. Elegantly stated. We must choose wisely and choose the people we trust. I have a wide group of docs who I trust implicitly and you’re certainly in that circle. Grateful for your passion and work.
I know that you are a discriminating consumer and you have made my day. Trustworthy healthcare leaders are equally critical and my trust in you is equally strong. I am grateful for the clarity you bring to complex issues like the Consolidated Appropriations Act and hope we can continue to find ways to help each other.
There has been no congressional hearing on COVID response which concerns me. This pandemic was made worse by politics. There comes a time when politicians need to allow public health officials to do their job.
"Looking at the package insert of Repevax, it seems more than 1 in 10 children her age develop joint swelling and/or pain post-administration."
When you administer Repevax or other DTaP-iaP products to patients, have you ever told them this beforehand? Has anyone ever come back and reported this adverse event?
Because 10% should be pretty noticable. I'm not making this up, it's in the insert.
How can any pharmaceutical that causes join swelling be considered "well-tolerated"?
Why is it called "idiopathic juvenile arthritis", but the industry is highly confident in making predictions about how its prevalence will increase?
And why do I have to be afraid to tell my daughter's doctor? I haven't, because I know what's gonna happen. We're gonna have to find a new doctor. And when the new doctor sees the documentation from the old doctor, we will still be treated like second class patients, because we are "anti-vax". But being anti-vax is not why my daughter is on chemotherapy.
I just looked and do not see this reference. You are correct manufacturers have to list adverse reactions however many of them are expected but not all
In adolescents (11 years of age and older) and adults
Teenagers are a little more likely than adults to have side effects. Most side effects occur within the first 3 days after vaccination.
Very common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people): • pain • swelling and redness in the area where the vaccine was injected • headache • nausea • aching or swollen joints • aching muscles • weakness • chills.
By March 2021 there were signals for FOUR different cranial nerve dysfunctions and a large array of coagulation related signals, along with the well-known cardiac signals.
Yes it’s a database legally manufactures have to report. Imagine if they hide that data but we can’t automatically blame a biologic some of these reports may be fake.
However we are not looking at the whole picture. I work with drugs and legally you have to report. So give them credit for disclosing however one would need their medical records. We are looking at a database where they are required to report
Yeah I can acknowledge that, but I have a hard time giving them credit for something that should be standard procedure at this point, because we've already seen the worst - just think of thalidomide.
I can see how vaccine development could become very urgent in a biological warfare situation, but without meticulous and gapless data collection and evaluation administering and prescribing prophylactic or therapeutic drugs makes no sense. I don't see that with vaccines. Instead I see a Cochrane review explicitely discouraging research into vaccine-mediated health problems.
I also don't see a public discussion on this subject being tolerated. Like, what about vaccine-derived polio virus? Why don't we get a say in that?
Public health authorities are correct: Vaccination affects everyone. So everyone should be part of the discussion. We've never agreed to virusses literally being released onto our population. We just accept that all polio is now vaccine-derived. Most people don't even know that. Ridiculous really.
You have to form a causal relationship we don’t have the whole picture. Things to consider are underlying medical conditions, allergies, drugs they are taking, maybe they were recently exposed to COVID then injected, medical history, and so on. Not trying to diminish your observation or claim they are safe or not. And what about COVID or other pathogens and harms. COVID wipes out immune system. Are you wearing a mask to prevent spread? Perhaps if we could all agree to mask up wear eye goggles and prevent spreading we might not need a vaccine. My dad died due to COVID, I got it am very healthy and almost ended up in hospital and my son had a stroke last Christmas and I know so many damaged. Again I am not saying they are safe or not I want to know the truth. I never had an mRNA but opted for protein-based because I want to do my part to stay healthy and not spread it. We cannot keep mass infecting. I look forward to your thoughts on how we can live our lives and not get infected
Here is a very interesting fact. The first mandatory vaccine campaign for Americans was ordered by General George Washington for his Continental Army. The campaign was largely successful and not a single regiment was rendered ineffective by smallpox.
https://health.mil/News/Articles/2021/08/16/Gen-George-Washington-Ordered-Smallpox-Inoculations-for-All-Troops
Well, that's an interesting anecdote at least.
Beautifully said. I hope we can all help each other and save lives. It is very difficult navigating the truth from the false claims or political rhetoric. We are all so blessed to have you explain these details and have a rational calm discussion of information that can save our lives. Thank you and may you have a most beautiful shining Holiday Season!!!
You always encourage me and that makes a difference. Thank you for joining Primary Care for All Americans. That is an opportunity to give everyone who wants a better healthcare system some muscle. I know you will make a difference.
There is so much advocacy needed.
"It worked."
But did it, really? There were vaccine registers and everything in the UK, but still violent outbreaks kept occurring. Weren't nearly all school children vaccinated in the course of the following century?
I'd really like to see hard data on this, because I can't make up my mind without. What I know though is that vaccination efforts were kept up for 150 years before the disease disappeared.
I don't know. Efficacy is one thing, safety another. Literally all the health problems I've suffered in the past 25 years occurred after vaccination.
1) Huge battery of vaccines before starting to work in hospitals at 18:
=> Cervical lymphadenopathy within 1 day. Lymph nodes still swollen today
=> 1 year of recurring tonsillitides
=> Arthralgia developing within 2 weeks, starting with the back, extending towards shoulders+hips, then knees+elbows, then wrists. This lasted many years (15-20). I identified with pain for the majority of my adult life. Been pain free for a few years now.
2) Hep B vaccination
=> During workout I experienced throbbing headaches. Next workout this got worse, causing me to go home. Then the headache grew so bad that I could only move myself to the bathroom on all fours for an entire week.
=> This was accompanied by anisocoria that gradually got better over the next 10-15 years. Pretty sure both pupils are the same size by now.
=> Had a CT performed, after which my doctor diagnosed a brain aneurysm and scheduled me for surgery. I called him up later, said I didn't want surgery and would rather take my chances, which in retrospect seems questionable, but turned out well. The pain was gone after two weeks, the anisocoria resolved within 15 years or so.
3) Polio vaccination
=> A week later I experienced amaurosis fugax upon laying down. Went to the eye clinic. No diagnosis.
=> Went another time a month or two later because it didn't get better. No diagnosis
=> Then when it was finally "raining ashes" it turned out I had a RVO
=> No glaucoma developed. :)
I didn't have any other issues throughout my life that weren't due to trauma.
Now my daughter received a DTaP-vaccine along with inactived Polio (Repevax) and developed joint pain in the same month. She is now - five years later - on MTX. And even that isn't helping.
Looking at the package insert of Repevax, it seems more than 1 in 10 children her age develop joint swelling and/or pain post-administration.
While I did study medicine, I am not a doctor. I don't have your clinical experience. However, I'm a major pharma nerd and these infectious disease prophylactics do NOT look safe at all. Not in the least.
I think the only way, the illusion of safety can be kept up is through aggressive propaganda, targetting doctors. Because... Take a wild guess what happens when I tell a doctor my daughter has "idiopathic (!) juvenile polyarthritis" due to DTaP vaccination. Let's put it this way: It's no way make friends.
I've been subject to vaccine propaganda and I ate it all. Hearing even the faintest vaccine criticism triggered me like nothing else.
So I think it would be a good idea to go back and carefully evaluate the data that your assumptions are based on. Our minds are far from perfect and business-wise, vaccines have always been an enormous opportunity.
The way I see it, being a doctor puts you at a disadvantage here. A huge amount of money and energy is invested into influencing what you and your colleagues consider true.
And another issue: Vaccine-mediated enhanced disease. What happens to people who are exposed to the pathogen on the day they are vaccinated? If a pathogen is highly prevalent like SC2, this is a huge risk - and in my opinion caused millions of deaths in 2021. If a pathogen has a very low prevalence, the risk is nearly negligible, but so is the risk of being exposed to the pathogen... Something to think about.
In case I didn't make that clear: I'm full-on anti-vax now. Before I see prospective studies with clean methodology, I will abstain and so will my daughter.
It really did work. I have spent a lifetime studying medical treatments and making tough life or death decisions. I have spend 25 years studying optimal medical therapy as compared with usual care. Every medical decision is about the risk vs benefit calculation. Every single medical treatment of any kind that has a benefical effect has a potential to produce an adverse side effect. I have had long standing trusting personal relationships with thousand of patients in a haff dozen different settings and I can tell you they told me everything. Your experience with vaccine is a real outlier. The risk benefit ratio for vaccines for deadly diseases is one of the most favorable in all of scientific medicine. Vaccine for deadly diseases are safe and effecive for most people. They probably aren't for you.
And what deadly diseases? Take tetanus for example. Between 2019 and 2022, there were only 4-9 annual hospitalizations in Germany. None of them died.
Let's assume ALL of these patients were unvaccinated. 80mio people, let's say 1% is unvaccinated- that's 800k. 5 cases per year per 800k people?`
That's a 1:160,000 annual risk. Now, would you say that the risk to suffer an adverse event of comparable severity is below 1:16,000k, assuming 1 shot every ten years?
If your answer is based on clinical experience, have you even administered 16k doses? If it isn't, what data is the assessment based on? Because I am not aware of any class 1 evidence. Most doctors just never make the connection, so AE's aren't reported and post-approval pharmacovigilance vastly underestimates all risks.
Please illuminate me if you can tell me how this risk-benefit analysis comes out in favor or the tetanus toxoid vaccine.
How many vaccine adverse events have you filed in your lifetime?
And how do you know I'm an outlier, when I as a patient didn't even see the connection to my vaccinations until last year? Neither did my doctors. The one who diagnosed the aneurysm was the same doctor who gave me the shot (otherwise an excellent GP). I had to go back through my medical history, except for the first event, where the timing was still very clear to make sense of this.
Are you sure that you would've connected adverse events to vaccinations? Because this is not what I see happening. I see doctors at best ignoring any suggestion of an adverse event being vaccine-mediated, at worst becoming infuriated and refusing to treat patients (after allegedly injuring them that is).
My daughter had an adverse event after vaccinations. Does her doc see it? Not a chance. But I do. No more vaccinations for me and my family. The risk benefit story is a lie upon a lie.
So we know vaccinating into a pandemic is wrong and we also know, but most won’t admit, that there are untold numbers of children who have autism as a result of vaccines. My son is one of them!
It depends on the pandemic. If there is a pandemic of a disease like ebola, I will be first in line to get it. It is entirely about risks and benefits. Some strains of ebola have a mortality rate of 90%. Based on vaccine resistance, it would be difficult to bury all of the dead people in our communities. Autism is a complicated disease and the root cause is unsettled. No one really knows what causes it with any certainty
Still no trust regardless. And as to what the cause of my son’s autism was….I know!!!
While all of that likely contributes to our declining health, I believe vaccines have caused the precipitous increase in autism. Just ask other parents what they think. Believe people who aren’t parents of children with autism know better? I think not!!!
I looked at the data before:
https://vigilance.pervaers.com/p/autism-and-childhood-vaccomations
I also have 100s of gigabytes of data from the U.S. education system lined up along with childhood vaccination data, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
Me too. No vaccination needle will ever get near me again. Luckily, I had already abstained from flu, Covid and others as an adult. I’m too old to have been exposed to the rain of vaccine terror on tiny bodies now and so was my daughter but my grandson has and is obviously vaccine injured by Gardisil but nobody talks about it. Sorry you have had such issues. We really have to look out after ourselves and research these days. I START health treatments and lifestyle from unconventional approaches now. My trust has disintegrated.
I said this in an earlier comment. The best hope for our health is scientific medicine with research that we pay for so that it serves our interests. All of the data must be transparent so that it is available for analysis by objective sources. New virus mutations are happening all the time. If yellow fever comes to my area again, I will be first in line for a vaccination. If a highly virulent strain of ebola mutates to become highly contagious, I will be first in line for a vaccination.
"I said this in an earlier comment. The best hope for our health is scientific medicine with research that we pay for so that it serves our interests. All of the data must be transparent so that it is available for analysis by objective sources."
Couldn't agree more. I don't think we really have any fundamental disagreement where there is data. It's just the uncertainty that has us assume opposing positions.
"If yellow fever comes to my area again, I will be first in line for a vaccination."
I would strongly discourage you to do that in the middle of an outbreak, unless there is data suggesting individuals suffering an infection around the time of inoculation do not experience VMED.
The higher the prevalence, the higher your chances to be infected before you have produced antibodies. And then your unspecific immune system will be confronted with two similar threats at the same time. What does that mean for the immune response against the pathogen?
Can you answer that last question?
The most disturbing facts are the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines that Dr Bestermann is eager to get. Do we have the genuine clinical data for making the call? Or just the filthy mouth of criminals such as Tony Fauci?
In the hot outbreak of any infectious diseases, most healthy people should not get vaccinated as their response.
GARDASIL, the product primarily utilizing young black and hispanic girls for its advertisement. The one where 18 VAERS reports of females aged 12-25 who had their FSH levels taken come out with an average level of 72.4 IU/l (95% CI: 49.2 – 95.7 IU/l). A control group of 22 reports for other vaccines had average levels of 13.7 IU/l (95% CI: 5.6 - 21.8 IU/l).
The data suggest that these teenage girls are in post-menopause. I wrote a brief article on this signal.
There even is a peer-reviewed article about it, but it was retracted: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287394.2018.1477640
And then we have institutions like the "Bill and Melinda give you AIDS foundation" who donate money to third world countries for "family planning and HPV vaccine research".
William, I really it's time to reconsider everything you believe to be true - which is an extremely painful process.
You seem to be so concerned with your patients' health. I think really highly of you, based only on what I've read from you. Please consider that century-old marketing campaigns might have outcompeted your critical thinking over the past decades. It doesn't seem like your assessments are based on hard data.
I mean, you may be right and these adverse events are really rare, but what if you aren't? What then?
That being said, I will gladly let you convince me that I am wrong, but for that we need hard data.
It’s nice to have these discussions.
I remember when Gardasil was coming out on the market. The local news (I live in San Francisco) reported that a researcher at UCSF was saying that he had reservations about the vaccine and that he didn't think it was safe. That was the first and last time I ever heard the media say anything negative about Gardasil.
May I respectfully suggest reading the book “Turtles All the Way Down”.
I’m a retired pharmacist that believed every word I was fed about vaccines, which I now recognize as mostly propaganda.
I *might* think about taking another vaccine when our corrupt/captured FDA, CDC, NIH actually does the Vaxxed-unvaxxed studies. Why would they refuse to do those? I think I know. It’s all about $$$$$.
The silver lining of the last 4 years is the waking up of so many of us. I believe that there are still good people in medicine (several in my family), but until we can ask questions, real questions, about the vaccine “religion”, how do we trust?
I understand your distrust and your reluctance. Our system has been taken over by predatory corporate interests and it is getting worse by the day. We failed to make any progress in 2023 toward a health system that serves us. I think the German system is interesting. Most get their health insurance through their employer in Germany too. They live longer for half the money and the governing boards for the 200 German insurance companies are elected from employees and employer. They see the data and they set the priorities. There are three communities in the US that have primary care owned by the people who use it. Primary Care for All Americans is a new organization that is pushing for community owned primary care. I see community primary care as modeled after community owned water systems. That model allows local people to set priorities that work for them.
I find it strange that they keep pushing the same mRNA. I am ok with Moderna but for some reason the P one seems to have too many people get infected even though they are “vaccinated “ then they can take pavloxid but everyone I know that took that had rebound COVID. As for me I took Novavax a protein based vaccine. It has an immune booster by use of saponin bark I haven’t had any illness and have been directed exposed. But my point is they sabotaged Novavax. No one knows what it is. So I wonder is the P one for streams of revenu?
Everyone is down with COVID again in Germany atm. I don't know a single unvaccinated person who caught it this time around, but e.g. my entire wife's workplace is positive, with only her boss not falling sick.
Two days ago a concert I had tickets for was cancelled because of COVID, my wife's family isn't celebrating christmas because they're all down with COVID, my brother isn't coming because he's down with COVID.
All of them are vaccinated. These vaccines just aren't working.
This is why I opted for Novavax which is a protein based vaccine (old technology) and is made with a tree bark saponin which boosts the immune system and so far an totally free of disease and I have been directly exposed to people with covid and never got it. I have had a very bad case in the past. Of concern is covid wrecks the immune system and can cause long covid. In my case I got it before any vaccines were available. Once I got it it took months and a lot of work to feel better so I am cautious. I am also an RN and tapped into some groups where we discuss these topics. I really wish they would encourage use of the protein-based vaccine and I think the M one is ok but the P one seems to allow far too many breakthroughs leaving people vulnerable. I also think we will need next generation vaccines because its so concerning how this one keeps spreading around the world. Maybe if we all wore a mask for a while we could end it without needing a vaccine.
I think even Novavax caused an outbreak in Victoria, of the D.2 variant. It was an isolated event that only affected one territory.
Trials commenced in mid-May (only in Victoria) and the outbreak happened 1 month later. 99% was owed to D.2.
https://substack.com/@covdata/note/c-18223921
Great post Bill. I don’t think that most people are anti vax. I do believe that the COVID vaccine was politicized and weaponized in a way that we’ve never seen before. Efficacy was promised and whole groups of people were canceled when they challenged the facts. The second order effects of this action are substantial. Even the medical establishment bought into and perpetuated false narratives and fired doctors and nurses who challenged it. There’s a whole lot of mistrust to go around and the physical and economic harm created by the mandated remedy for Covid are just now being discovered.
I get your point Jeff I accept it at face value. Your point about politics being weaponized is especially powerful. Even deeply religious people are willing to do anything to win I think that it is a great example of what is wrong with medicine, politics, and business generally. Medicine has lost its way. When I became a doctor, I believed medicine to be a calling to service and professionalism. I believed it was my duty, and state law required,, that I provide continuous care for my patients-- 24/7/365. Most of all, I believe what I was taught--that my first duty was to be an advocate for my patients. Now medicine has been taken over by the MBAs and it is all about money and power. It's first duty it to stockholders. It is unique among developed nations and it is not working for patients. As you know better than anyone, it is twice as expensive and produces the worst results in the developed world. You are right not to trust it. Americans are right not to trust it but it is the most complicated profession on earth and the money men hide the financial arrangements and their most critical research data. That all must come out into the sunshine, and you fight for that harder than anyone I know.
That lack of trust is having crazy consequences. If you go down the comments on my last post, there are American who are dead serious when they say that there is no such thing as a virus. That is what happens when people don't trust their institutions. Emotions run high. People try to figure out very complex issues for themselves and they look at those who disagree as enemies. They see them as evil people. The National Academy of Medicine was founded by Congress to provide analysis and advice on scientific issues. We should pay much more attention to their advice. Everything about medicine must come out into the sunshine. Drug companies have proven they cannot be trusted to tell us enough about the research on their new products so that we can trust them We must be able to stay calm, respect others, and work through these difficult changes. Because we cannot trust Covid vaccines and other parts of our system, laymen are ready to throw out scientific medicine altogether and doubt everything we say. The best answer to an understandable lack of trust is to behave in a way that is trustworthy. Thanks for your comment
I don’t trust my government anymore nor any institutions they recommend so that’s a hard no from me to look at the National Academy of Medicine. Nope, Nein, Non!
In a democracy, we are the government. Primary Care for All Americans is pushing for primary care to be available for everyone and owned and governed by each community to meet their unique needs. Primary care is very inexpensive and is built on long term trusing relationships. Healthcare is like water service. Many communities own and run that. Water for most of us is good quality and inexpensive. That model give you and your local officials the ability to set the priorities.
Thanks Bill. Elegantly stated. We must choose wisely and choose the people we trust. I have a wide group of docs who I trust implicitly and you’re certainly in that circle. Grateful for your passion and work.
I know that you are a discriminating consumer and you have made my day. Trustworthy healthcare leaders are equally critical and my trust in you is equally strong. I am grateful for the clarity you bring to complex issues like the Consolidated Appropriations Act and hope we can continue to find ways to help each other.
There has been no congressional hearing on COVID response which concerns me. This pandemic was made worse by politics. There comes a time when politicians need to allow public health officials to do their job.
This 100%
"Looking at the package insert of Repevax, it seems more than 1 in 10 children her age develop joint swelling and/or pain post-administration."
When you administer Repevax or other DTaP-iaP products to patients, have you ever told them this beforehand? Has anyone ever come back and reported this adverse event?
Because 10% should be pretty noticable. I'm not making this up, it's in the insert.
How can any pharmaceutical that causes join swelling be considered "well-tolerated"?
Why is it called "idiopathic juvenile arthritis", but the industry is highly confident in making predictions about how its prevalence will increase?
And why do I have to be afraid to tell my daughter's doctor? I haven't, because I know what's gonna happen. We're gonna have to find a new doctor. And when the new doctor sees the documentation from the old doctor, we will still be treated like second class patients, because we are "anti-vax". But being anti-vax is not why my daughter is on chemotherapy.
I just looked and do not see this reference. You are correct manufacturers have to list adverse reactions however many of them are expected but not all
In adolescents (11 years of age and older) and adults
Teenagers are a little more likely than adults to have side effects. Most side effects occur within the first 3 days after vaccination.
Very common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people): • pain • swelling and redness in the area where the vaccine was injected • headache • nausea • aching or swollen joints • aching muscles • weakness • chills.
Source: https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.5580.pdf
not life threatening
Yes but these are expected
Yeah true, but at least we have public pharmacovigilance databases like VAERS.
https://vigilance.pervaers.com/p/ignored-safety-signals
By March 2021 there were signals for FOUR different cranial nerve dysfunctions and a large array of coagulation related signals, along with the well-known cardiac signals.
Yes it’s a database legally manufactures have to report. Imagine if they hide that data but we can’t automatically blame a biologic some of these reports may be fake.
There is a package insert
Also, what's this?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30111741
Why was this never discussed publically?
How do you make sense of it?
Looks like 40k vaccine injuries from a single vaccination campaign.
Not cited once. Where is the risk-benefit analysis?
Of course vaccines are considered safe when these signals are ignored.
But without having this data, we are in no position to make assessments.
However we are not looking at the whole picture. I work with drugs and legally you have to report. So give them credit for disclosing however one would need their medical records. We are looking at a database where they are required to report
Yeah I can acknowledge that, but I have a hard time giving them credit for something that should be standard procedure at this point, because we've already seen the worst - just think of thalidomide.
I can see how vaccine development could become very urgent in a biological warfare situation, but without meticulous and gapless data collection and evaluation administering and prescribing prophylactic or therapeutic drugs makes no sense. I don't see that with vaccines. Instead I see a Cochrane review explicitely discouraging research into vaccine-mediated health problems.
I also don't see a public discussion on this subject being tolerated. Like, what about vaccine-derived polio virus? Why don't we get a say in that?
Public health authorities are correct: Vaccination affects everyone. So everyone should be part of the discussion. We've never agreed to virusses literally being released onto our population. We just accept that all polio is now vaccine-derived. Most people don't even know that. Ridiculous really.
You have to form a causal relationship we don’t have the whole picture. Things to consider are underlying medical conditions, allergies, drugs they are taking, maybe they were recently exposed to COVID then injected, medical history, and so on. Not trying to diminish your observation or claim they are safe or not. And what about COVID or other pathogens and harms. COVID wipes out immune system. Are you wearing a mask to prevent spread? Perhaps if we could all agree to mask up wear eye goggles and prevent spreading we might not need a vaccine. My dad died due to COVID, I got it am very healthy and almost ended up in hospital and my son had a stroke last Christmas and I know so many damaged. Again I am not saying they are safe or not I want to know the truth. I never had an mRNA but opted for protein-based because I want to do my part to stay healthy and not spread it. We cannot keep mass infecting. I look forward to your thoughts on how we can live our lives and not get infected
You make a lot of sense. All vaccines are not equal. Many of your other points are on target
Sorry for your long COVID. It’s so sad to hear everyday more cases of long COVID
Which vaccine?
Hope you get better!